Possible addition of the M249 to Office.

[SiNz]

Hey just wondering what peoples thoughts are on adding the M249. I always found the gun fun on office but I can see some issues arise since it's got a lot of bullets and we have enough Pro90s as is :P

I was thinking it could be implemented a couple of ways:
- Similar to the awp machine, only 2 allowed.
- Random spawn like the GG.

I'd like to have it in the menu but having 20+ players with M249s can become a nightmare..hilarious nightmare but also infuriating at times :P

[Goose]

Why not close this thread, make an official one and put a poll on it? For both of the guns. This isn't going anywhere fast.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Shadow]

but what i don't get is the gun wasn't there in the first place, so why having it with restrictions a problem? squall already mentioned 100 bullets causes problems with lag on the server. so to have it, it has to be restricted, therefore why such a big deal... if people dont like how "underpowered" and "unjustified" it is then they will use a different gun, if people choose to use it that is there choice.

[RuStY]

but what i don't get is the gun wasn't there in the first place, so why having it with restrictions a problem? squall already mentioned 100 bullets causes problems with lag on the server. so to have it, it has to be restricted, therefore why such a big deal... if people dont like how "underpowered" and "unjustified" it is then they will use a different gun, if people choose to use it that is there choice.

Do you have trouble taking in info?
Cause you miss alot of it.

The para has been restricted to a limited amount of people using it.

Having a para or 2 a side with 100 bullets would not lag it out.
Only if it was free to be used by the whole server there is the risk of lagging out.

Having the para limited to a certain amount of people already on top of 30 bullets maybe a bit far?
Don't ya think?
Along with its under damaged and long reloading ways.

[[DtK] [LM] Bruce]

I have mentioned it before and will mention it again. It may be a game but us children who play it do not like to be told how to play. Piss off the box in the window, if you are going to bring guns in, enable their full potential. I am a little frustrated in the direction office is taking though i have no input it is a shame and i am seeing a big shift in player base.

Golden gun is another issue, why restrict it to 7 bullets. Office server seems to be filling up with a bunch of whingers.

LET PEOPLE HAVE FUN! You just might find it helps....

[Goose]

Yeah I gotta agree about the golden gun. At least make is 14 bullets. Otherwise its just not worth it. Like it's called the "Golden" Gun, its meant to be a badass mofo.

I played today with the box as both T and CT. Loved it on T, able to get right around on the rolled up garages and own CT's. As CT it seems now that it is a bit unfair, perhaps tweak again. I'm not a window camper though, so doesn't really bother me.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Pythoness]

but what i don't get is the gun wasn't there in the first place, so why having it with restrictions a problem?

I think this is an important point when considering both the para and the dak dak.

These guns were added to the server for more variety, but they were also taken away from the server in the first place because of the same reasons that are leading us to tweak the weapons now. Whether or not people are 'just whinging' about them now doesn't seem to be a fair argument, as this 'whinging' was part of the reason they were taken away in the first place. (and the same reason we have a restricted awp vending machine)

There are always going to be weapons that are more powerful than others, so I don't really think it matters which ones they are. The idea behind tweaking is to make sure the amount that they are more powerful isn't in the extreme.

I think the para is a great addition for spawn-camping situations, as if you are getting killed before you have a chance to reload anyway, 30 bullets is more than enough.

The dak dak at 5 shots makes it a great weapon for clearing out multiple campers quickly and then dodge back into cover. With the extra slowness of walking speed and the reload time, i think this makes it pretty well rounded, and about the same 'powerfulness' as the scout. I would like to try making it available as a normal menu item with this adjustment.

The player base we now have on office has changed because people come and go and because css is really getting quite old for a game. If we allow the server to stagnate and not involve player input, we would continue to lose players, and not see the resurgence in numbers that we have seen of late.

Pythy

[RuStY]

So whats the limit on the para at the moment?
1 per side or 2 per side?

So would it really be a hassle if 2 - 4 para's running around had 100 bullets?
It's extreme by editing the para to the condition it is in now.

There is 5 guns that are now extremely outweighing the para in every step.
In my opinion shouldn't be editing weapons to fit a certain configuration because people don't like being murdered a certain way.
There are many ways to kill some one.

Seems to be a problem with people learning, adapting and countering.
Which is what the game is all about.

[[DtK] [LM] Knight_Ops.]

We had almost a full server tonight with 36 players at one point that lasted for around 40 minutes.

The para has been restricted to a limited amount of people using it.

That's just plain false information Rusty. At present and since the trial began an unlimited number of players can all have a 30 round para each.

LET PEOPLE HAVE FUN! You just might find it helps....

Having both these weapons unrestricted in the first place is the reason why they were both initailly removed from the server.

The Dak Dak is restricted to 1 player per side.
Even with these countermeasures we encountered problems and several complaints in-game with the SG550 having a full 30 round mag even though only 1 player per side was able two use it at a time.
It's now limited to 5 rounds.

I didn't want the GG restricted at all, I just wanted it to have more spawn points instead of only the previous 4 that were all CT sided. It was mainly to prevent the same individual from being able to acquire it round after round, game after game. The GG now how 28 random spawns points.

As for the window ledge modification, players are still able to camp there and it has been working really well. It does not effect the ebb and flow of the game in favour of either team. This is actually really determined by the caliber of players on the winning side.

[[DtK] [LM] Bruce]

I find it amusing that your talking about the reason why we originally got rid of the dak dak and para and then mentioning the issues we had previously when they were on the server and why they were removed. :|

In the end it seems we go around in circles but some people have small minds and memories perhaps... ?

We shall see, but i know for a fact yes we may have 30 ppl on for 40mins but we used to "when a certain someone was in charge" have 30-40 for 4-5 hrs a day... :| Just saying..

[RuStY]

We had almost a full server tonight with 36 players at one point that lasted for around 40 minutes.

That's just plain false information Rusty. At present and since the trial began an unlimited number of players can all have a 30 round para each.
Having both these weapons unrestricted in the first place is the reason why they were both initailly removed from the server.

The Dak Dak is restricted to 1 player per side.
Even with these countermeasures we encountered problems and several complaints in-game with the SG550 having a full 30 round mag even though only 1 player per side was able two use it at a time.
It's now limited to 5 rounds.

I didn't want the GG restricted at all, I just wanted it to have more spawn points instead of only the previous 4 that were all CT sided. It was mainly to prevent the same individual from being able to acquire it round after round, game after game. The GG now how 28 random spawns points.

As for the window ledge modification, players are still able to camp there and it has been working really well. It does not effect the ebb and flow of the game in favour of either team. This is actually really determined by the caliber of players on the winning side.

Ok. One mistake in my arguement.
An assumption i made after i saw the dak dak.

Well why don't you give it the awp and dak dak treatment and have it limited so it's not so lousy as it is?

You can't even call it a para anymore. It's supposed to be a machine gun.
High surpressive fire weapon. Round after round after round.

Server numbers fluctuating is not unatural either.

It's been packed at 1am - 2am on monday nights before out of no where.

[[DtK] [LM] Knight_Ops.]

Declines in Server population, happened for several factors none of which has anything to do with recent changes to the server. There's been a steady decline in numbers since around the time we introduced Pinion adverts, and then the release of CS:GO. We have had a notable increase in server activity of late though, and it's been good to see.

[[DtK] [LM] Bruce]

Pinion was a pain, but also people with happy admin powers stuffs things up too..

[[DtK] [LM] Knight_Ops.]

people with happy admin powers stuffs things up too..

For the sake of clarity can you elaborate as to who or what you're referring to?

[[DtK] [M] JDMHungLO]

Beep Bop Beep Bop

Blah blah blah..

Yeah I'm bored as ♥♥♥♥ and just reading these forms about the amount of rant going on about this shit.

[2minutenoobles]

I think it's important to stress that the Office Admins didn't lobby for the introduction of these 'new' weapons into Office - that came from above. We're trying to deal with their presence on the server as much the average player.

[[DtK] [JA] squat]

I find it amusing that your talking about the reason why we originally got rid of the dak dak and para and then mentioning the issues we had previously when they were on the server and why they were removed. :|

In the end it seems we go around in circles but some people have small minds and memories perhaps... ?

We shall see, but i know for a fact yes we may have 30 ppl on for 40mins but we used to "when a certain someone was in charge" have 30-40 for 4-5 hrs a day... :| Just saying..

But when you were in charge there were no patas or dak daks to deal with

[[DtK] [JA] squat]

I find it amusing that your talking about the reason why we originally got rid of the dak dak and para and then mentioning the issues we had previously when they were on the server and why they were removed. :|

In the end it seems we go around in circles but some people have small minds and memories perhaps... ?

We shall see, but i know for a fact yes we may have 30 ppl on for 40mins but we used to "when a certain someone was in charge" have 30-40 for 4-5 hrs a day... :| Just saying..

But when you were in charge there were no patas or dak daks to deal with

[[DtK] [V] stan182]

I find it amusing that your talking about the reason why we originally got rid of the dak dak and para and then mentioning the issues we had previously when they were on the server and why they were removed. :|

In the end it seems we go around in circles but some people have small minds and memories perhaps... ?

We shall see, but i know for a fact yes we may have 30 ppl on for 40mins but we used to "when a certain someone was in charge" have 30-40 for 4-5 hrs a day... :| Just saying..

I remember these days
even before i became a dtk member it was packed and popularity was more than dust2..
plus this was when all the original regs used to always come on as well,until they all suddenly got sick of the direction it was going and left 1 by 1..

[[DtK] [V] stan182]

I say give para it's full potential,but limited to 1-2 players each team and remove the dak dak completely.
No point adding para if it's 30 bullets, as you say players decide whether or not they pick it or not, but pointless if it's 30.. 50-70 bullets at least

[[DtK] [V] Linkage]

Yeah i don't think it would be good office being small and all, i play the dust2 DM server and we always have about 5 or so terrorists sitting at long doors just spamming the whole map then ct's would do the same so no one bothers going there and ppl start raging and i hear a fair few complaints about it, ones such as stated b4 learn to counter it, it's part of the game ect tho giving it the smaller clip and making it only avail in a machine could be good