The whole P90 debate

[[DtK] [T] Jackopalkia]

Hey guys!

Now I understand people really hate the P90... hell I use it and I hate getting dominated by it to!


My question is do you hate the person who is using the P90 or do you just hate the fact that they use the P90..

Just asking because I feel like I am being hated because I like using that weapon to get up and personal (I do like using other weapons though to)

Just curious guys because I don't want to be hated in the community for my weapon of personal choice

[RuStY]

pfft.
dgl and ak/awp i take you all down.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Pythoness]

I've seen this discussion many times on the forums and in game over the years, and my opinion hasn't really changed. The p90 does seem like an easy option that is OP, but as some people have pointed out, this is only really true in close range. This means that generally people who use it don't get as good a KD because they have to rush all the time, and they also get picked off by those with anything more suitable for the long range areas.
I always use a scout, and only ever find P90 annoying if I'm mucking around rushing with it. If we got rid of the P90, more people would use AK/M4, and suddenly they would seem more annoying.
I would actually love to see less people hating on the P90, all the bitching on the server brings the mood down. Be the better player and own them with a more skillful game.

[[DtK] [C] Squall]

Just not understanding something here - majority of the players who aren't fond of the P90 or players who use P90 , have claimed (in some of the responses) that;

a. P90 doesn't take skill to use

or

b. Players who use P90 aren't skilled.


In either case, wouldn't it be easier killing these players than say someone with an AK or M4, as using an AK/M4 takes more skills and in effect m4/ak players are more skilled? Wouldn't getting killed by these so called 'unskilled' P90 players actually make YOU less skilled or dare I say unskilled?



We try to ensure all DtK servers provide an enjoyable experience for all players. We do make compromises if necessary e.g the awp vending machine. I just think, using 'skill' as an argument in this case isn't really helping your 'cause'. Size of the map, magazine size,etc could have been used to strengthen your viewpoints.

[[DtK] [LM] Delta]

Jimmyshoes only uses the p90 when im winning :P for some reason i just have a weakness if someone is smashing my face with it, oh well.

[[DtK] [JA] squat]

Maybe we should make everyone use the glock or usp then there will be no complaints about other peoples weapon choices, Or some of you can go down to Bunnings grab a concrete pill take it and harden up.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Mr. Purplicious]

Just not understanding something here - majority of the players who aren't fond of the P90 or players who use P90 , have claimed (in some of the responses) that;

a. P90 doesn't take skill to use

or

b. Players who use P90 aren't skilled.


In either case, wouldn't it be easier killing these players than say someone with an AK or M4, as using an AK/M4 takes more skills and in effect m4/ak players are more skilled? Wouldn't getting killed by these so called 'unskilled' P90 players actually make YOU less skilled or dare I say unskilled?



We try to ensure all DtK servers provide an enjoyable experience for all players. We do make compromises if necessary e.g the awp vending machine. I just think, using 'skill' as an argument in this case isn't really helping your 'cause'. Size of the map, magazine size,etc could have been used to strengthen your viewpoints.

If you've ever played modern warfare 2 you would have experienced te grenade launcher, or 'noob tube'. The P90 is a similar case where that it is a weapon almost any play can pick up, new or old, and rush in to any area (namely T spawn, cos they are ct whores) abd spray in the general direction of the enemy and rack up the kills.

And it is much harder to kill the P90 rushers for a couple reasons over AK. Mainly being because they are running faster and dont even have to stop running to spray 4 headshots. And the fact they can fire 50 bullets essentially aimlessly in less time it takes to fire 30 of the ak..

That is the sort of thing which makes it 'less skillful'. And being killed by that tactic doesnt make you less skillful in any way shape or form. That is just retarded.

[Complex1ty]

If you've ever played modern warfare 2 you would have experienced te grenade launcher, or 'noob tube'. The P90 is a similar case where that it is a weapon almost any play can pick up, new or old, and rush in to any area (namely T spawn, cos they are ct whores) abd spray in the general direction of the enemy and rack up the kills.

And it is much harder to kill the P90 rushers for a couple reasons over AK. Mainly being because they are running faster and dont even have to stop running to spray 4 headshots. And the fact they can fire 50 bullets essentially aimlessly in less time it takes to fire 30 of the ak..

That is the sort of thing which makes it 'less skillful'. And being killed by that tactic doesnt make you less skillful in any way shape or form. That is just retarded.

I didn't know P90 could kill you 1 hit across the map and be unlimited (with One Man Army). I wouldn't compare the noobtube to the p90.

Idk why people are still hating on it. There are 30 or so weapons in the game and they are there to be used. Just because you go against the norm shouldn't mean you get hated on. It also provides a mixture rather than everybody having the same gun and having stale gameplay.

[[DtK] [C] Squall]

And it is much harder to kill the P90 rushers for a couple reasons over AK. Mainly being because they are running faster and dont even have to stop running to spray 4 headshots. And the fact they can fire 50 bullets essentially aimlessly in less time it takes to fire 30 of the ak..

That is the sort of thing which makes it 'less skillful'. And being killed by that tactic doesnt make you less skillful in any way shape or form. That is just retarded.

You don't need 50 bullets or 30 bullets to kill a person. You only need 2 hits to the head to kill a person with head armor (for all 3 guns - P90,ak,m4). If you are having to spray 50 bullets to kill someone obviously your enemy has the advantage,so really if they can't get 2 headshots in by the time you unload 50 bullets, the enemy has only himself/herself to blame..


The solution here is very simply: AIM FOR THE HEAD.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Mr. Purplicious]

You don't need 50 bullets or 30 bullets to kill a person. You only need 2 hits to the head to kill a person with head armor (for all 3 guns - P90,ak,m4). If you are having to spray 50 bullets to kill someone obviously your enemy has the advantage,so really if they can't get 2 headshots in by the time you unload 50 bullets, the enemy has only himself/herself to blame..


The solution here is very simply: AIM FOR THE HEAD.

More often than not when youre playing T side and you leave your spawn, there are three guys right there with P90's all spraying you down. How can you 'AIM FOR THE HEAD' when you dont even get 1 second to think?

And what I mean by the fire rate is that, if you dont kill them on the first 2-3 shots with an ak or m4 or whatever, then they have sprayed a good 8-10 bullets at you, and it really only takes 3 to the chest or 1 or 2 to the head. So the P90 has a huge advantage.

What I'm saying it, even if you cant aim (Have no skill) you point in the general direction of the enemy, spray and you will get kills. That is where the argument 'they have no skill' originates, because it has partial truth to it.

Im not saying all P90 users have no skill, but to successfully use the P90, not alot of skill is required. It's essentially plug and play. Point and shoot, it really is that simple, (and nooby).

[[DtK] [Jedi] Mr. Purplicious]

I didn't know P90 could kill you 1 hit across the map and be unlimited (with One Man Army). I wouldn't compare the noobtube to the p90.

Idk why people are still hating on it. There are 30 or so weapons in the game and they are there to be used. Just because you go against the norm shouldn't mean you get hated on. It also provides a mixture rather than everybody having the same gun and having stale gameplay.

Oh and btw the analogy wasnt to compare them exactly, it was to say that both are weapons used by the noobs which seem to piss off the masses by getting easy kills for tactics which take little to no skill.

[Luke]

Don't try and rationalise the p90 debate. Just let it be.

[[DtK] [C] Squall]

More often than not when youre playing T side and you leave your spawn, there are three guys right there with P90's all spraying you down. How can you 'AIM FOR THE HEAD' when you dont even get 1 second to think?


On OFFICE and every other DM server, everyone spawns at their own team spawn points at the start of each round or when they die. Players don't magically appear at enemy team spawns. I don't know why you are using a 3 vs 1 situation as an example when obviously the odds will be in favor of the 3 regardless of the weapons being used. If anything it shows the T's are not covering certain areas and letting these players through or are simply not countering these rushes by using the other routes available to them. Even if 3 players are right outside your spawn, there are quite a few ways to at least try to effectively eliminate them - peeking and shooting, going around the map,etc.


And what I mean by the fire rate is that, if you dont kill them on the first 2-3 shots with an ak or m4 or whatever, then they have sprayed a good 8-10 bullets at you, and it really only takes 3 to the chest or 1 or 2 to the head. So the P90 has a huge advantage.

EVERY weapon in this game has it's advantages and disadvantages. M4 does more damage but has lesser bullets per magazine, P90 fires faster but does lesser damage, scout has a good range but makes the players vulnerable to enemies within the vicinity while scoped. So while the P90 does well at close range, it gets outperformed by rifles at mid/longer ranges. Saying to ban a weapon for a particular advantage that is situational is quite silly.On the other hand if a weapon only has advantages and there is pretty much nothing that puts it at a disadvantage, it indeed does make sense saying 'ban this weapon!'




What I'm saying it, even if you cant aim (Have no skill) you point in the general direction of the enemy, spray and you will get kills. That is where the argument 'they have no skill' originates, because it has partial truth to it.


As above, this holds true only at close combat.

Im not saying all P90 users have no skill, but to successfully use the P90, not alot of skill is required.


And again, this only applies to close range combat with the P90. To successfully use the P90 at all ranges and gamestyles, you simply cannot 'point in the general direction of the enemy, spray and you will get kills.'


It's essentially plug and play. Point and shoot, it really is that simple, (and nooby).


Missing something here but isn't that how ALL weapons function?

At the end of the day while each weapon in css has it's advantages and disadvantages, it really comes down to how the player uses the weapon he wields, how he adapts to situation he is in, how he counters players, how he baits and outsmarts them. If a map has lots of open space and a player utilizes this with a weapon accordingly, there is nothing wrong with it. If a certain area of the map is small and generally results in close combat exchanges, there is nothing wrong with using a weapon that is suited for that area. It's only wrong when a weapon only has advantages and no counters which simply isn't the case with the P90.


If the P90 is pissing you off due to it's advantages in certain situations, it is completely understandable and justifiable. It is near impossible to have perfect balance in any game.

But if the P90 is pissing off you to a point that you are saying to ban the P90 and is keeping you from playing, only thing I can say is, become a better player.

[[DtK] [LM] Rowdy]

Squall....who let you back in the house?

[RuStY]

The solution here is very simply: AIM FOR THE HEAD.

I think this just about wraps it up.

[[DtK] [LM] Rowdy]

In all seriousness. Chill out about p90, it's a part of the game

[Evol]

has anyone been annoyed about that random douche on Office that keeps knifing everyone....it getting on my nerves ;D oh wait it me

[Luke]

has anyone been annoyed about that random douche on Office that keeps TRYING TO knife everyone....it getting on my nerves ;D oh wait it me

Fixed it for ya

[[DtK] [V] PanicAtTheDisco]

The way I see P90s is -

(Another MW1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 etc comparison): Quickscoping.

A large majority of the Call of duty playerbase ONLY play CoD for the quickscoping; now there are also a LOT of players that dislike quickscoping, and won't hesitate to abuse anybody with sleight of hand pro and an intervention / R700 or WHATEVER you guys use (please don't reply telling me what sniper you use I don't care.)
Now, whilst there are lots of players that go out of their way to be assholes to quickscopers, there are also lots and lots of people that take the time to quickscope, practice and get good at it. I've seen people teamdown 20v20 S&D matches with an M40A3 so obviously they're good at it, and enjoy doing it. If you took quickscoping out of cod, you'd lose 80% of the playerbase.

Now, obviously people have taken a liking to the P90 (whether you lot like it or not) and they're going to use it. Obviously if the P90 takes no skill to use, and the skill-less use them, you'd have NO problems killing them. Not to mention, there are so many ways you can out-gun a P90'er as most people have mentioned. Most P90's are just sprayed, do some jukes and hit them when they reload.. Keep your distance etc.

If you guys "Banned" the P90, you're just removing a concept of the game because you're too immature to take the blame of getting gunned by a weapon that is apparently used by only the skillless. And obviously, a few people would leave the server due to the fact you just took their favourite weapon away..

I'd rather shoot at somebody than shoot at nobody.. Once again, perfect example is the UMP on MW2, and the FMG on MW3. These guns are overpowered as shit, people use them a lot but who cares? There are pros and cons to every weapon, deal with it or leave and come back when they're gone.

[[DtK] [Jedi] jimmyshoes]

lol chill out guys ffs
. the p90 like any other weapon in cs:s is totally dependent on the person using it. get used to it and all of the others

jimmyshoes

[[DtK] [JA] squat]

I might start using a P90 it sounds like fun