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[kingEOFFF]

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Please sign this petition to ban live export.
If you are game enough to watch the video you will realise how disgusting this is, it's really not fair.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Tonic]

I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right, my comment earlier about ignorance should be ignored. I tried to keep my personal views out of this as much as I could, I'm just trying to present some factual information to help anyone who is not aware of all the details, what you guys take from it is entirely up to you.
Being raised to see something as acceptable is a whole nother bag o apples, and there is so many ways to look at it that it could start a shit fight.
But to me it's a personal view, which is why I tried to go into a business perspective. Obviously if its on a property and not considered production then it's completely different. However I would recommend a captive bolt pistol before the slaughter as it allows the beast to bleed out quicker and easier.

[kingEOFFF]

There's a difference between killing and torturing.

I view torturing as a way of mocking the animal.
I don't understand how you can consider slitting a cows throat and then poking at it's eyeballs or letting it's insides dangle outside of their body while alive as within reason.
There's no purpose for that.. why would you want to watch something suffer in pain, and provide more in some cases, when you can just kill it then and there.

I can understand multiple perspectives, but it doesn't make sense when things are unnecessary. What exactly are you achieving by torturing an animal?

[[DtK] [Jedi] Drunk Gamer Dud]

looking at a cow dying in a so called "tortured method" is nothing, it's not disturbing it's normal to me.

Doesn't mean it is right.

What exactly are you achieving by torturing an animal?

In this case it depends. In the video above it is kinda hard to determine if they are showing their inability to kill the animal in a swift way through lack of knowledge, tools or both, or if its deliberate and they know they are drawing the animals death out then it shows the malicious side of the human psyche and a general lack of compassion and mercy.

I personally think its both, they obviously don't have the tools and knowledge to kill these animals in a swift way and as a result do this to kill them BUT their lack of a desire to improve their practices, get better equipment and not torture these animals to me definitely shows a lack of compassion and mercy so they just continue doing this, because in the end it "gets the job done".

[[DtK] [LM] Bruce]

Pigs here in WA are gassed as are alot of the animals in abbitoirs. Also people may see an animal kick and shake in these videos thinking they are alive. Ours and other animals nerves
Can twitch for minutes after death, quite unnerving sometimes.

Also having killed many times, and never having tough meat.I have always been taught it does not matter if an animal is stressed but how soon they are hung and bled out. Having over 20,000 sheep on the family farm and over a thousand cows I could pick out any animal that will be tough eating and one that will taste delicious... I eat meat every day and love it so I may be bias
Hehe.

[[DtK] [V] Untouchable]

One of the many problems in the world.
Stupidity is one of them.
Not going to change over night nor will it happen in a few years.
This petition isn't the first...

@Topcat- Something called the brain that puts us on top. Yeah. THINK about that.
We'll live for 10000000 years while they go extinct.

[kingEOFFF]

Pigs here in WA are gassed as are alot of the animals in abbitoirs. Also people may see an animal kick and shake in these videos thinking they are alive. Ours and other animals nerves
Can twitch for minutes after death, quite unnerving sometimes.

Also having killed many times, and never having tough meat.I have always been taught it does not matter if an animal is stressed but how soon they are hung and bled out. Having over 20,000 sheep on the family farm and over a thousand cows I could pick out any animal that will be tough eating and one that will taste delicious... I eat meat every day and love it so I may be bias
Hehe.

I love meat, I have it at least once a day, but I can never think of it being an alive animal. I find it difficult buying a full roast chicken, because you can see how the shape replicates a chicken's body, dunno just doesn't sit well with me.

One thing I do find funny is when people hate on animals that kill/injure humans as a source of food, a bit of a double standard.

[[DtK] [N] KRAKEN]

Like Michael Jackson said, "If you wanna make the world a better place, Take a look at yourself and make the change."

In reality there isn't much we can do regarding this particular issue. So what i would do is simply appreciate the animals. Acknowledge their value and do whatever we can to live harmoniously with them. =)

[[DtK] [V] xtra.]

Like Michael Jackson said, "If you wanna make the world a better place, Take a look at yourself and make the change."

In reality there isn't much we can do regarding this particular issue. So what i would do is simply appreciate the animals. Acknowledge their value and do whatever we can to live harmoniously with them. =)

im sorry but i dont listen to quotes from paedophiles

[kingEOFFF]

im sorry but i dont listen to quotes from paedophiles

He wasn't guilty of that case lol...

[[DtK] [V] xtra.]

He wasn't guilty of that case lol...

your point?

he had an obsession with sleeping with young boys...

what more do you want

[[DtK] [Jedi] Davey_Boy]

Hahah, no shit he isn't agreeing I never said he was.

And you judge by what I've thanked, I've thanked all the posts where people just don't care because I don't care. I didn't grow up around little bitches scared of some blood and poor old cows supposedly being tortured. I grew up in Croatia, I traveled to Italy many times in my childhood, I still remember all the old grand pa's, they would kill their pigs with a knife and let all the blood drain out and collect it make "Blood Chocolate".

Simply growing up in Croatia was bad enough. I grew up in a ♥♥♥♥ed up society, looking at a cow dying in a so called "tortured method" is nothing, it's not disturbing it's normal to me.

So basically, as long as you've been exposed to something for a long enough time for it to be deemed 'normal' that makes it acceptable? Not to mention animals that are bred on private property and farms are likely to have a much better life quality, rather than being mass bred and squashed into small areas.

And, so going by your logic, no need to feel bad about African people living in high poverty. As long as I go over there and witness enough of it to make it seem normal, then there's no problem, it's not my problem, and I should get on with life without a second thought.

In reality there isn't much we can do regarding this particular issue. So what i would do is simply appreciate the animals. Acknowledge their value and do whatever we can to live harmoniously with them. =)

There are small things that anyone can do, like in the case for chickens, buying free range eggs and chicken instead of factory farmed (which also gives a better quality product).

[kingEOFFF]

your point?

he had an obsession with sleeping with young boys...

what more do you want

Lol I don't know why you talk about an issue that you haven't researched.

That being said, just because someone has done something bad doesn't mean they can't produce any good to the world.
If it wasn't the case then anything you ignorant people say is void.

Just wait til mummy and daddy stop holding your hand and then you will realise and appreciate things a bit more

[[DtK] [LM] Bruce]

So basically, as long as you've been exposed to something for a long enough time for it to be deemed 'normal' that makes it acceptable? Not to mention animals that are bred on private property and farms are likely to have a much better life quality, rather than being mass bred and squashed into small areas.

And, so going by your logic, no need to feel bad about African people living in high poverty. As long as I go over there and witness enough of it to make it seem normal, then there's no problem, it's not my problem, and I should get on with life without a second thought.


There are small things that anyone can do, like in the case for chickens, buying free range eggs and chicken instead of factory farmed (which also gives a better quality product).

Just so you know, that barn and free range eggs contain on average a lot more hormones and anti biotics than caged eggs. I will not buy barn laid eggs or free range because of this. I did a research article on this at uni and the reason is because in barns they do not clean the chook areas out often so there is a large build up of disease in there so they have to pump the chickens with anti biotics to reduce disease and issues with egg production.

Also I do not think they are saying you see enough of it makes it alright, I think its a desensitising issue. If you see animals being killed (which I believe all kids should see, to understand where there meat and products come from) and see it often you are less stressed by the thought of an animal dieing. Same as these days movies are so full of gore, blood, death and rape, we see videos on the web or the news and people do not really get too stressed out by it just feels like a movie. If it is in person a different story as it feels more real but generally watching something on a video etc such as people getting shot just looks "fake".

To a degree I also do not feel sorry for those in Africa, its called stop reproducing... they should be looking at there resources and availability of them same as we value our money (as food is easy to come by here). When I think about having a family (as I have 2 kids) I do not think, "oh having a kid will be fun" I usually work along the lines of "if my wife stops work can I make up the money shortfall, if I get sick can we cover ourselves, can we afford to live e.g. buy essentials if she stops work to have kids". It is sad to see such suffering, but we need to assess the issue of reproduction over there especially when so many of them have 12 or 14 kids... I mean really come on.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Davey_Boy]

Just so you know, that barn and free range eggs contain on average a lot more hormones and anti biotics than caged eggs. I will not buy barn laid eggs or free range because of this. I did a research article on this at uni and the reason is because in barns they do not clean the chook areas out often so there is a large build up of disease in there so they have to pump the chickens with anti biotics to reduce disease and issues with egg production.

Also I do not think they are saying you see enough of it makes it alright, I think its a desensitising issue. If you see animals being killed (which I believe all kids should see, to understand where there meat and products come from) and see it often you are less stressed by the thought of an animal dieing. Same as these days movies are so full of gore, blood, death and rape, we see videos on the web or the news and people do not really get too stressed out by it just feels like a movie. If it is in person a different story as it feels more real but generally watching something on a video etc such as people getting shot just looks "fake".

To a degree I also do not feel sorry for those in Africa, its called stop reproducing... they should be looking at there resources and availability of them same as we value our money (as food is easy to come by here). When I think about having a family (as I have 2 kids) I do not think, "oh having a kid will be fun" I usually work along the lines of "if my wife stops work can I make up the money shortfall, if I get sick can we cover ourselves, can we afford to live e.g. buy essentials if she stops work to have kids". It is sad to see such suffering, but we need to assess the issue of reproduction over there especially when so many of them have 12 or 14 kids... I mean really come on.

I think I'll need to see some proof for the more anti-biotics claim. I did a lot of research about chickens a few years back when that KFC (Kentucky Fried Cruelty) campaign thing was big. The factory farmed chickens are pumped full of anti-biotics and shit to keep them alive and as strong as possible and of course disease-less. Since the chickens are literally stacked cage upon cage and their feces and waste just lands straight down on the chicken below.

I'm not saying free range aren't also pumped full of anti-biotics, but I cannot see how they would be worse than factory farmed.

And no, he wasn't just talking about becoming desensitised to animals being killed, he seems to be unable to comprehend the difference between the necessary killing and unnecessary torture.

[[DtK] [Jedi] button]

Hahah, no shit he isn't agreeing I never said he was.

And you judge by what I've thanked, I've thanked all the posts where people just don't care because I don't care. I didn't grow up around little bitches scared of some blood and poor old cows supposedly being tortured. I grew up in Croatia, I traveled to Italy many times in my childhood, I still remember all the old grand pa's, they would kill their pigs with a knife and let all the blood drain out and collect it make "Blood Chocolate".

Simply growing up in Croatia was bad enough. I grew up in a ♥♥♥♥ed up society, looking at a cow dying in a so called "tortured method" is nothing, it's not disturbing it's normal to me.

Good for you! Would you like a medal for having no compassion?

[[DtK] [M] heretostalk]

Just so you know, that barn and free range eggs contain on average a lot more hormones and anti biotics than caged eggs. I will not buy barn laid eggs or free range because of this. I did a research article on this at uni and the reason is because in barns they do not clean the chook areas out often so there is a large build up of disease in there so they have to pump the chickens with anti biotics to reduce disease and issues with egg production.

Antibiotics access the systemic circulation of the chicken in low concentrations and are very rarely found in the meat/eggs
It is illegal in Australia to give chickens growth hormones whilst farming them.
I'd love to read your research article if you have a copy.

[[DtK] [LM] Bruce]

Not rarely found at all but at levels that are considered "safe". Antibiotics I mean.

Who said anything about growth hormones... I just said hormones.. "hormones" technically have not been used in growing chickens for probably 40 years or so. We used to feed our chickens bags which use to be labelled as natural hormone stimulants. These chickens were not for commercial production and this was probably 10 yrs ago but I know you wont find chook food with any labels on it these days. So who knows what in what we buy.

Saying that I should have been more specific and said, the research we did at uni was based on the farms we visited.

The barn laid/free range were given on average more anti-biotics than the caged chooks. Though they are all given cooling off periods and the amount of natural hormones and anti-biotics actually found in the eggs was well below what was allowed for human consumption.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Knitting]

Is it just me... But the more you get to know Kingeoff the more sense he makes.
It's been a good thread to see other people's views no matter how much they differ to mine.

[[DtK] [V] xtra.]

king is sort of like a mate ive got; they act like a dickhead so much you cant take them seriously on anything. but i agree knitting ive seen another side of king and its been a good thread

[[DtK] [Jedi] Tonic]

I like this king.