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[kingEOFFF]

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If you are game enough to watch the video you will realise how disgusting this is, it's really not fair.

[[DtK] [V] Arkwark]

You're right. How very ignorant of us to assume that cows can feel pain and torture.

Unless a living creature can actually communicate to us in clear English that it's being tortured, we cannot and should not assume that to be the case.

Makes me feel relieved that a human baby has never been tortured, because I've never heard one complaining about it.

KingEOFFF, time to close the thread, I can't believe how ignorant you are for not considering all this!

Yep. I do think we should communicate. Lololol.

By the way, Tonic just schooled you all.

But you don't realise the cow dies either way, the difference is what? 10 more seconds?

[[DtK] [Jedi] TC_TopCat]

thats alright bud

nah any good?

Only for the experience.
Its like a cross between shark and salmon.
Croc is a white meat, like shark and a croc steak will resemble the cross-section of a tree-trunk, and the texture of croc is like a smaller scale to salmon, with a finer fiber.

Id still eat another, but considering you are Australian, it should be on your bucket list by default- along with kangaroo and emu (we are the only nation that can eat its Coat of Arms)

[[DtK] [Jedi] TC_TopCat]

Human + sharp object = top of food chain

Alright, if you want to add things... lol.

Human + sharp object + lion + lion + lion + lion + lion cub + lion mum + lion = dead human.

One-on-one, with nothing man-made involved, the human dies.
YOU CANNOT DEFEAT A LION.

...but I will give you a high five if you can.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Tonic]

Much more than 10 seconds ark.
Might be 10 seconds longer to die, but that 10 seconds would mean every 3rd hook on the kill chain would be empty, and could take hours more to reach bone out temperature. The costs in loss of production would be huge. That's not even taking into account the chances of bacteria and cross contamination.

[[DtK] [Jedi] TC_TopCat]

Also just realised this is one of the most appropriate threads for its section out there.
Community discussion activated.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Tonic]

Has some of the best input i've seen in a lone time TC.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Davey_Boy]

But you don't realise the cow dies either way, the difference is what? 10 more seconds?

That right there proves that you have completely missed the point.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Tonic]

You need to consider what happens AFTER the death, and how the events leading up to and including the death effect everything down the line.
You dont have to look at it from an ethical, religious, moral view. Look at it from a business perspective, because every slaughterhouse is a business of some kind.
The more product you can move the more money you make. Why have gaps on the chain, there could be another carcass hanging there, thats 15 odd seconds that your paying an employee to stand there when he could be working. And its not just ONE emplyee, its everyone down the line. Large slaughterhouses can have hundreds of people on the kill chain.
So assume the staff are on 17 dollars per hour, thats 28 cents per minute and 7 cents per 15 seconds. Assuming the 10 seconds lost per kill would mean a gap every 3rd hook over an 8 hour day with 100 employees is 7 dollars of wasted wages per missed carcass, and if you have say a potential kill of 3600 per 8 hour shift you'd only be getting roughly 2400 kills, meaning $8,400 per day of wasted wages as well as 1200 beasts you could have processed. If you do overtime to get the remaining kills then you could add $2,500 per hour on top of the previous losses. It quickly adds up over weeks and months.
On top of this;
The cleaner the meat the more its worth per kilo.
The better quality the meat the more its worth per kilo
The quicker you can chill the carcass (with the muscle tenseness i talked about earlier) the quicker you can chill it, bone it out, freeze it, ship it and make more chiller and freezer space for even more production as well as getting fresher meat to the distributers increasing shelf life.
The more money you make from the above processes can go to more staffing and automated machinery, which can increase production and quality of production to make more money.

To go about something in such an unproductive manner is criminal in itself. The companies buying the products will also get the best meat for the best prices, so its in the companies best interest to make more profit. Who doesn't want more money?

[kingEOFFF]

Yep. I do think we should communicate. Lololol.

By the way, Tonic just schooled you all.

But you don't realise the cow dies either way, the difference is what? 10 more seconds?

No.. Tonic schooled you.

You're the one saying 'it doesn't matter because their dead in the end'
Tonic is saying: by torturing an animal, they are much more aware of what's going on, they will feel pain and as a result try to escape from that pain therefore tensing their muscles. They will start to stress to find a way of escaping, and the pain they are enduring will only add to that. So if the majority of the world was as ignorant as you and Luke then we would have some pretty shit meat.

I hope that explains things a bit more

[MDnK]

At the end of the day, I will continue to eat that delicious meat

[[DtK] [Jedi] Tonic]

No.. Tonic schooled you.

You're the one saying 'it doesn't matter because their dead in the end'
Tonic is saying: by torturing an animal, they are much more aware of what's going on, they will feel pain and as a result try to escape from that pain therefore tensing their muscles. They will start to stress to find a way of escaping, and the pain they are enduring will only add to that. So if the majority of the world was as ignorant as you and Luke then we would have some pretty shit meat.

I hope that explains things a bit more

There is a shitload that changes the quality of the meat, what i've touched on here is just the start of it.
There is packing techniques that improves the quality of meat (such as vac packing to 0 - 4 millibars of pressure) which removes most of the air around the meat, there is absorbent towles that gets packed in with the meat soaking up blood and stuff, there is machines that vac the package out and inject gasses which preserve the meat as well as making it more tender and in the case of lamb - more pink instead of shit brown.
In Australia we have a company called AQIS, they are that concerned about animal welfare they won't let the live animals see the ones being slaughtered or hanging.

This is an industry that most people have no idea about, its not their fault by any means, but with the information laid out here by many people, it would be almost ignorant to disagree to any of it no matter what your standpoint is.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Morph]

A Halal kill is peaceful. There is a nerve in the back of the neck they have to hit when they slit the throat. it basically removes all feeling from the animal, to comply with Halal, the animal must be stunned in a humain manner. The prayer they say is 'god is great' in muslim if i remember correctly.
On top of this, to be a Halal kill, the animal must be in good health, and cannot be under stress before or during the slaughter.

Thanks for that, very informative.

[kingEOFFF]

There is a shitload that changes the quality of the meat, what i've touched on here is just the start of it.
There is packing techniques that improves the quality of meat (such as vac packing to 0 - 4 millibars of pressure) which removes most of the air around the meat, there is absorbent towles that gets packed in with the meat soaking up blood and stuff, there is machines that vac the package out and inject gasses which preserve the meat as well as making it more tender and in the case of lamb - more pink instead of shit brown.
In Australia we have a company called AQIS, they are that concerned about animal welfare they won't let the live animals see the ones being slaughtered or hanging.

This is an industry that most people have no idea about, its not their fault by any means, but with the information laid out here by many people, it would be almost ignorant to disagree to any of it no matter what your standpoint is.

Yeah, I'm very suprised at how ignorant and stubborn people are in the 21st century lol

[[DtK] [Jedi] Tonic]

Thanks for that, very informative.

The one thing i should of added, slicing the throat does not kill them, bleeding out kills them, but after the nerve is hit as well as being stunned they don't feel it.

For you sir p1glett, you would be stunned different to cows, sheep and goats. They get stunned below the ears, pigs need to be stunned at the back or the head as well as the ass, if you only do one they have a reflex which shatters their spines

[[DtK] [Jedi] Morph]

The one thing i should of added, slicing the throat does not kill them, bleeding out kills them, but after the nerve is hit as well as being stunned they don't feel it.

For you sir p1glett, you would be stunned different to cows, sheep and goats. They get stunned below the ears, pigs need to be stunned at the back or the head as well as the ass, if you only do one they have a reflex which shatters their spines

Many thanks for all your above posts man. Im bound to whop someone in a meat debate whenever (if ever) it pops up

[[DtK] [Jedi] Tonic]

Haha, i don't think they come up often TBH, but this is one of the very few threads of recent months where i have been able to constructively contribute to. So its good to actually have a good chat with some people again.

[[DtK] [V] Arkwark]

No.. Tonic schooled you.

You're the one saying 'it doesn't matter because their dead in the end'
Tonic is saying: by torturing an animal, they are much more aware of what's going on, they will feel pain and as a result try to escape from that pain therefore tensing their muscles. They will start to stress to find a way of escaping, and the pain they are enduring will only add to that. So if the majority of the world was as ignorant as you and Luke then we would have some pretty shit meat.

I hope that explains things a bit more

You're retarded.

"A Halal kill is peaceful. There is a nerve in the back of the neck they have to hit when they slit the throat. it basically removes all feeling from the animal, to comply with Halal, the animal must be stunned in a humain manner. The prayer they say is 'god is great' in muslim if i remember correctly.
On top of this, to be a Halal kill, the animal must be in good health, and cannot be under stress before or during the slaughter."

Said by Tonic himself.

[[DtK] [Jedi] Tonic]

While it wasn't a copy paste, he understood where i was going with it.
Animals do panic when they see other animals die. Particularly goats, when they panic they become more stubborn then usual. If you cannot maintain a good run of them through the restrainer to the sticking area then you get gaps in the line. If they are injured at any point they either cannot be slaughtered or the injured limb or body part / section or whole animal has to be removed and destroyed.
While its not exactly fitting, his still on the right track.

[kingEOFFF]

You're retarded.

"A Halal kill is peaceful. There is a nerve in the back of the neck they have to hit when they slit the throat. it basically removes all feeling from the animal, to comply with Halal, the animal must be stunned in a humain manner. The prayer they say is 'god is great' in muslim if i remember correctly.
On top of this, to be a Halal kill, the animal must be in good health, and cannot be under stress before or during the slaughter."

Said by Tonic himself.

The link I posted isn't a 'Halal' and you can quite clearly see the pain the animals are enduring in the video.
He isn't agreeing with anything you say, he's just explaining that this religious procedure is the 'correct' way of killing the animal.

The only thing you have discussed, in summary, is that other countries can do what they want to animals, and, judging by the posts you have thanked, you are agreeing that animals can be killed any way because they will be dead regardless.

[[DtK] [V] Arkwark]

The link I posted isn't a 'Halal' and you can quite clearly see the pain the animals are enduring in the video.
He isn't agreeing with anything you say, he's just explaining that this religious procedure is the 'correct' way of killing the animal.

The only thing you have discussed, in summary, is that other countries can do what they want to animals, and, judging by the posts you have thanked, you are agreeing that animals can be killed any way because they will be dead regardless.

Hahah, no shit he isn't agreeing I never said he was.

And you judge by what I've thanked, I've thanked all the posts where people just don't care because I don't care. I didn't grow up around little bitches scared of some blood and poor old cows supposedly being tortured. I grew up in Croatia, I traveled to Italy many times in my childhood, I still remember all the old grand pa's, they would kill their pigs with a knife and let all the blood drain out and collect it make "Blood Chocolate".

Simply growing up in Croatia was bad enough. I grew up in a ♥♥♥♥ed up society, looking at a cow dying in a so called "tortured method" is nothing, it's not disturbing it's normal to me.